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  1. Kathryn S

    how many years, how many studies and how much $$ did it take for ‘them’ to admit that smoking and the use of tobacco products in general was detrimental to human health? and people still use the products and people still die. Will we/they never learn?

    1. Connie Chauvel-Gomez

      as with “human” drugs…Big Pharma does NOT want to loose money…a multi-billion dollar business does not want healthy alternatives known. So it goes w/ Pet food…..Purina Hills et. al are in “it” for the Big Bucks!!!!!

    2. zookeeper216

      “It’s a chilling reality – one often overlooked in annual mortality statistics: Preventable medical errors persist as the No. 3 killer in the U.S. – third only to heart disease and cancer – claiming the lives of some 400,000 people each year. At a Senate hearing Thursday, patient safety officials put their best ideas forward on how to solve the crisis.” This was 2014.

      Just a thought.

  2. Connie

    “The “experts” in these videos substitute Google searches and scary sound bites for actual science.

    and what Snopes did was any better than that?

    while I’m not a fan of the Food Babe, she has made changes in big food for the better. Let’s hope Rodney and Dr. Becker are as successful.

  3. Mitch

    Snopes is bought and paid for like Wikipedia… More and more people are realizing that every day… It would be more difficult to discredit them if it weren’t so blatantly obvious, as your example points out

  4. Diane

    Everyone knows snopes is a woman and her husband (very liberal) run from there house. I don’t know anyone that uses them anymore.

    1. Duncan

      Whoa! What does this have to do with anything?

    2. Silvermane

      Oh no! Not liberals. When we be able to wipe this scourge with their unsavoury different opinions from the earth?

    3. Pamela Mueller

      Politics does not belong in this forum about pet food.

  5. Gary Lee

    So is milk bone dog treats bad for dogs

    1. Susan Thixton Author

      Hi Gary – the ingredients in Milkbone original are: Wheat Flour, Wheat Bran, Meat and Bone Meal, Milk, Wheat Germ, Beef Fat (Preserved with BHA), Salt, Natural Flavor, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Brewer’s Dried Yeast, Malted Barley Flour, Sodium Metabisulfite (Used as a Preservative), Choline Chloride, Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Niacin Supplement, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement), BHA (Used as a Preservative).

      Meat and Bone Meal is an ingredient that can be sourced (per the legal definition) from non-slaughtered animals. Non-slaughtered animals include dead livestock and euthanized animals. The FDA found this ingredient likely to contain euthanized animals. And the BHA risk is explained in this post.

      1. Dave

        I stopped reading at the first ingredient… wheat flour. That’s wnough to convince me not to give it to a dog.

    2. Silvermane

      Hi Gary,

      I would say that there isn’t a 100% definitive answer to that question. However, from what science there is available, as Susan noted above, it’s pretty clear that there is great cause for concern. I certainly wouldn’t feed one to my dogs and I don’t recommend any of our customers do. Ultimately, why feed a treat that has any risk of causing harm to your pet when there are so many other fantastic, great quality treats out there? I’ve found that once a dog samples a few Benny Bully’s or Cloud Star Buddy Biscuits or Orijen Freeze Dried, they aren’t too interested in going back to the questionable ingredients and preservatives in Milkbone anyway!

  6. Terri Janson

    I saw the video and saved it to my phone. I will be sharing it!

  7. Ian

    Yes, from Dr Vogelsang’s own website press kit:
    ” SERVICES OFFERED
    o BookIncentiveCampaignPartnership
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    o BrandAmbassadorship
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    I wonder who hired her to attack Rodney Habib’s video? I’m guessing someone with a financial interest in the multi-billion dollar pet food market. Just a guess though. Otherwise what personal interest would she have in defending the use of BHA except for being hired by industry to do so?

    1. Jefferson

      THAT is informative information! Good catch Ian.

  8. Patti

    This just makes me question ALL Snopes.com investigations now.

    1. sheila

      I stopped looking towards snopes as well when I found out it was just a husband and wife team doing this research from their home just like any of us could do. Yes it makes a difference to me that they are blatantly liberal leaning as many of their stories they research that have anything to do with liberal politicians or other liberal agendas is always found to be true or false in favor of the liberal. BUT the main reason snopes.Com needs to nlbe snoped themselves is that they are not any kind of authority on the truth. They are just another opinion piece. I would not feed my animals anything that had BHA.

      1. Susan Hayes

        Keep politics out of this forum! Your post is also “just another opinion piece.”

        1. Sheila

          Never said it wasn’t my opinion. But thank you Miss forum police….it was in response to what another person posted. I’ll take your demand with a grain of salt. You could have just scrolled past instead of scolding another poster’s opinion.

    2. Kathleen

      I would hope so! Snope-a-Dope is a front group for all big industry. Are you familiar with front groups/astroturfing. Every large industry creates/hires front groups. For instance, I saw a website that tried to give the appearance of being somewhat natural oriented, but it was only a front to put down raw feeding. You have to understand that sometimes these front groups will give a little truth so that they can better accomplish their ultimate agenda. Here is medical investigative reporter, Sharyl Attkisson at her TED talk explaining how front groups work.

      http://www.wakingtimes.com/2016/01/15/journalist-reveals-tactics-brainwashing-industry-uses-to-manipulate-the-public/

      1. ACH

        Kathleen, thank you so much for posting the link…I just watched and shared it…I hope people will pay attention…

    3. Hilary Olson

      When you have facts that have been proven by scientific process by qualified people with the methods and results for all to see then conversation should ensue. I find very little conversation offered by groups known to me as mudslingers .Outlandish statements based on misrepresented and misunderstood information offered as fact with motive Its upsetting on many levels but I say leave the mudslinging to the mudslingers. One day maybe they will feed their beloved pet something harmful they thought was good. hopefully not as the consequences can be life threatening.

  9. David M.

    Snopes used to be a husband and wife site, but now the wife (Barbara) is nowhere to be found. It is now David and a couple of 20-something paid writers who do minimal “research” and post sloppily-written articles. The site is more about driving traffic, click-bait, and riding on the coattails of what the site used to be. Snopes has been around so long that Google doesn’t seem to realize the difference between old Snopes and new Snopes, and it ranks #1 for almost everything they post. These amaetur writers can squeeze out shoddy 300-word posts, much of which is merely “quoted” from other sites, and – because of domain authority – out-SEO far better written articles by newer sites without the domain authority that Snopes has.

    Hoping that one day Panda wipes the smug grin off of the faces of the lecherous staff at Snopes.

  10. ACH

    That’s the absolute end of Snopes for me! And Wikipedia, too…I know for a fact from personal family information that they don’t always tell the truth and don’t have all the facts…they definitely cannot be trusted…

    THANK YOU SO MUCH, SUSAN, FOR THE AWESOME, AWESOME WORK YOU DO ON BEHALF OF OUR PETS!!! YOU ARE SO APPRECIATED!!!

  11. John Huff

    We think Snopes needs to Snoped. Never believed them anyhow. Garbage in – Garbage out.

  12. Marsha

    When I took a class on things that should be taken very lightly if at all was Snopes.com. We were informed that it is not always the correct answers. So we should not even bother to use it. He stated it gives wrong or mostly wrong information. i have not used that site in years. As far as treats, we make our own with Purdue chicken.

  13. Christine

    Don’t forget – BHA is actually banned in Japan and many European countries. That counts for something when I consider the safety of any ingredient.

  14. Ann Cluck

    I buy none of the more “popular” mass-produced dog treats. I pay more to insure the safety of my furbabies. All natural for them!!!

  15. Aurora Clarke

    Snopes know NOTHING about feeding pets – I ready a decade ago that they were simply a husband and wife team who were good at using search engines like Google. They set up their web site to dispel myths and urban legends that proliferated on the Internet as well as the chain email with dire outcomes if you did not forward. Now they claim to be experts of sort on many topics when in truth they are not, not at all just good at googling!

  16. Aurora Clarke

    that would be “I read a decade ago”

  17. Jane

    I saw the quote from Milk Bone in the Snopes article saying how they follow FDA and AAFCO rules. LMAO! Maybe true, but we already know AAFCO and FDA do not enforce the rules, so anything goes, and they don’t care!!! Plus Snopes quotes a study in 2000 published in the journal Food and Chemical Toxicology stating, “In this study, no significant association with stomach cancer risk was found for usual intake of low levels of BHA and BHT.”

    Seriously, who does the research there? As easily as they found info to support their theory, I found as of 2016, The National Toxicology Report, part of NIH, concludes “… (BHA) is reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen based on sufficient evidence of carcinogenicity from studies in experimental animals.” Dogs are animals I believe, so likely BHA is a carcinogen for them. I also found numerous articles, as mentioned in Christine’s comment (4 above this) about Europe and Japan banning BHA and BHT because of safety concerns. USA is not the ultimate authority on everything.

    At MOST Snopes could say the safety of BHA is questionable or unknown. Their bias and misrepresentation of available information on the internet really irritates me. Snipes, Milkbone, Get it right!

  18. Laurie Matson

    Big Pet Feed probably paid the Snopes people big bucks to publish that piece!!! Money talks these days!!!

  19. Linda Macfarlane

    I believe what Snopes.com is responding to (and it plainly shows it when you access this response in Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/milk-bone-facebook-warning/), is the claim that “Milk-Bone dog treats cause cancer in one of every two dogs that eat them,” and based on that, it IS ridiculous and false. There is no evidence ANYWHERE that indicates Milk-Bone dog treats would cause cancer in 50% of the dogs they were fed to! Why would anyone claim that?! It just makes the author look like an idiot.

    I sent Snopes.com a message asking them to amend the response to show that although the statement about ‘1 out of 2 dogs’ is indeed false, there IS evidence BHA is a carcinogenic for animals AND humans. I don’t expect anything to come of my request, but figured I would speak up, anyway.

    You can’t judge Snopes.com based on their response to this claim, because based on the substance of that claim, they are right! I have found Snopes.com to be a valuable resource (in addition to others), for doing quick and easy fact-checking on ridiculous crap that is circulated via Facebook, email, etc., and will continue to utilize this website in the future.

    1. Susan Thixton Author

      The video didn’t make the claim “Milk-Bone dog treats cause cancer in one of every two dogs that eat them,” – so nothing within the video was false. That statement was what they were validating, not the video. Snopes should have made that clear. I didn’t feel like they did, in fact it appeared to me they felt BHA was/is safe (based on a human study, not an animal study).

      1. Linda Macfarlane

        I agree and that’s why I sent Snopes a message suggesting they amend that Response to state that there IS evidence BHA is a carcinogen for people AND animals. We’ll see if they respond to that – I’ll let you know if they do.

        1. Susan Thixton Author

          Thanks Linda – yes, please let us know.

  20. Donna

    I say just make the treats yourself. That way you know that they are healthy and free from preservatives. I fed my dog all of the treats listed in the video at hand and he developed cancer AND developed seizures! My sister in law fed her dog the same treats too and her dog developed cancer as well. Seems good enough reasons to me to make my own. These companies will do ANYTHING to selll their products. Oh! And BTW, Old Roy dog food is the WORST pet food on the market. I fed it to my dog and wnded up at the vet hospital having to get his ass cleaned out twice because he was clearly in alot of pain! Vet told me never to buy that crap again for him.

    1. Liz

      When a veterinarian finally resorts to telling you that a specific brand of dog food is bad, you KNOW it’s bad! 😵 Most vets I’ve learned are hesitant to name brands of food they think are good or bad. They use terms like “high quality” instead. 😐 Note–most store brand dog food has poor quality control and I would never trust it.
      Hope your dog is all healed up and enjoying healthy food now😅😊

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