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  1. C. Michael

    Hi Susan,

    I give my dog this “Nutramax Dasuquin with MSM” everyday as a supplement for her bones and joints ..

    It Includes ASU, which is derived from avocados and soybeans

    Please let me know if I should stop this?? It seems to be helping her and its the “only” supplement I give her everyday and now I’m worried after reading this.

    She seems to love the way it tastes, but she also would lick detergent and soap and body lotion if she! My dog just wants to eat everything! And it stresses me out always worrying she’s going to get at something bad.

    I’ve been feeding her Stella and Chewey’s “raw” now for close to 6 years and she’s now going on 11 years old, and still has the same energy she had when she was only 8 weeks old when I adopted! So I must be doing something right then, right? People are shocked and don’t believe me when I tell them how old she is and they always assume she’s a!

    I’ve been reading your forum for years now and I try and have an many others read it as well since I think you are an angel for everything you do for us owners and are children (pets) keep up the amazing work Susan!

    1. Susan Thixton Author

      I’m not familiar with the supplement – but what I would recommend is asking the Country of Origin of each ingredient. Also – because of the soy – I would ask if the supplement is GMO free. With this information you can decide if you wish to continue using it.

  2. bobbie

    Hi, thanks for this article. I recently reread the ingredients of Kelp Help and am wondering about the second ingredient, distillers dried grain. I’m wondering what is its nutritional value? Is it wheat based? It sounds like a by product of spirits making. My dog is allergic to wheat and corn and I’ve already tried to avoid products with them in it. Now I’m wondering if I’ve been sprinkling some on her food at every meal!

    1. Allison Nicolas

      I recommend Pet Kelp Skin & Coat. The only ingredients are dried kelp and organic flaxseed. I use this supplement with my lab who has allergies and it seems to be helping!

      1. bobbie

        Thanks, Allison. What does seem good about Kelp Help is a long list of vitamins added. Just curious about the ‘distillers dried grains’ part of it.

        1. Allison Nicolas

          Most of the vitamins andminerals naturally occur in the kelp 🙂

  3. Lisa P

    To the person with the supplements, you shouldn’t be giving anything with avacados OR soy for that matter. Soy acts like a hormone and avacados are toxic.

    Ergot poisoning is actually what they suspect caused some of the hysteria during the Salem witch trials. That stuff can make you freak out and hallucinate like crazy.

  4. C. Michael

    Thanks guys for all the replies.. This supllement is what the vet recommend and when I searched the product for reviews on Amazon, there’s hundreds and they all are positive!

    I never saw so many positive reviews before for something like this. Most of the owners all say they see a major difference in their dog after using it..

    Here’s the website for the company if anyone wants to check it out..I appreciate the feedback very much 🙂

  5. Marsha

    I used Denosyl and Denamarin for our dog who was poisoned by our neighbors. Those are both great products for liver problems. Without them Tony would
    not have survived. Four vets, 2 of them internists never figured out what poison was used. We used them for 6 months and it brought his liver enzymes back to normal. I recommend Nutramax Labs to everyone.

    1. C. Michael

      Marsha, Im a little confused by your last post. You mention Denosyl and something else that helped your pets liver rid the poisions but then you say you recommend “Nutramax” to everyone.

      Is Nutramax the company that makes the two products you used to rid the poisions, or something else??? I’m very confused and its hard when people post names of stuff and aren’t very clear!

      Sorry Marcha, just trying to understand what you were pointing out.

      So I called the company “Nutramax” yesterday and left s VM and someone called me back in like 5 min.. I was shocked by that. Points to them for that!

      I asked if the Soy had any GMO and she said “No” .. I then asked what country of origin are the ingredients from, and she said they are all from “European and US” distributors. I asked if any are from “China” or “Canada” and she said NO!

      I then asked about the Avocado s, and I can’t remember exactly what she said, but something like Avocados aren’t dangerous in very small amounts, or something about the seeds being dangerous?? I can’t remember haha! But she said there’s nothing to worry about as its a very small amount used.

      So question to Susan and all?

      Can’t these companies lie about where the ingredients are from? How are we supposed to know for sure that they aren’t sourced from China??

      I ask this cause I’m curious what’s the point in even asking if these companies can say whatever and get away with it? I’m not saying this company is doing that in any way btw..

      The woman I spoke to said she gives all her horses and pets the same products they make and Sell, and i have a good feeling that she was being very honest too! They even make products for humans and have a very nice website. She kind of sounded like they are in farm land too by her accent, so that made me feel even better

      What’s your thoughts on this?

      1. Susan Thixton Author

        Here’s what I’d suggest – if the response to a corn or soy ingredient being non-GMO (because more than 85% of all corn and soy in this country is GMO), I would ask what efforts they go through to assure the soy is non-GMO. What do they require of suppliers. I’ve found that companies that do go through extensive efforts to make certain everything is non-GMO, they are thrilled to share this information with consumers.

        Next – on country of origin – what I ‘heard’ (from your conversation above) is that they use suppliers based in the U.S. or Europe. This does not mean the actual country of origin of ingredients is U.S. or Europe. When they state something like you were told – “all from European and U.S. distributors” – ask the follow up question – but where/what country of origin does the distributor get the ingredients? It is unfortunate that many companies don’t know this information (the actual country of origin of all ingredients) – they know where their distributors/suppliers are located, but not actually where each ingredient is from. Keep asking questions until you get complete answers.

        And yes, they can lie. This is why the Pledge is so important. Those that have provided their Pledge have put quality and origin information in writing and the President of the company signed their name to the accuracy of the information.

  6. Mike

    i believe this is what i had after eating a bag of catfish last year, one thing though i didn’t feel sick at all i was seeing and hearing stuff i couldn’t sleep i was up for a about 2 days with no sleep and was still seeing stuff that wasn’t really there, i thought somebody had put acid in my food and i still kind of think they did day 3 i had the diarrhea’s bad it was pure watery it was like dumping out a glass of water out into the toilet.

    that stuff is bad i wouldn’t want to go threw all that crap again the good thing though is that i didn’t feel sick one bit i was just seeing and hearing stuff and had the poops bad.

  7. Mike

    the picture you have looks just like what i kept seeing in the cats fresh litter after i had ate the bad catfish i kept seeing a ton of black seeds or something like mouse poop droppings in there fresh litter and i knew it couldn’t be that because i just bought the litter from the store.

    1. Lucy McKernan

      hi. can you tell me whether this litter was swheat scoop? we JUST went back to it because one of our cats was ingesting the clumping clay (bentonite) litter, very dangerous b/c it swells 15x and creates blockages!

  8. […] Wheat Ingredients Concern Susan Thixton – Trusted friend and pet food investigator extraordinaire – Dr. Gary Pusillo – shares a concern about ergot alkaloid problems he is seeing in “some supplements and foods containing wheat middling’s and other wheat products.” Here is what ergot alkaloids are, and the risk they pose to pets. […]

  9. […] This is from Truth About Pet Food – A trusted friend and pet food investigator extraordinaire – Dr. Gary Pusillo – shares a concern about ergot alkaloid problems he is seeing in “some supplements and foods containing wheat middling’s and other wheat products.” Here is what ergot alkaloids are, and the risk they pose to pets. […]

  10. Peter

    Since wheat that is used in pet food is designated as a lowest-profit grain, it accordingly receives the lowest priority for handling. It can sit in the silo for months. This extended “set time” allows molds to grow (to feed) in these pockets of fines— which stay warmer and wetter in storage— because these carbohydrates are a preferred nutrient source of many fungi, (parasitic plants). As a consequence, the junk-wheat fines become an attractive food source and subsequent breeding environment for insects, particularly for those species which lack mouth parts for boring into whole grain kernels: “storage mites.” Those insects consume the molds/fungi that feed on low quality grain carbohydrates, such as corn or wheat, and with a consistent food source, ultimately run their entire life cyle (and die) in the silo. Then your dog or cat eats them.

    When you feed your cat or dog a food with wheat or another grain, you will certainly expose him to these mycotoxins. They are toxins secreted by the grain as a defense against the storage mites. So, now you have a multi hit: carbohydrates, fungus/mold, storage mites (that feed on the mold), storage mite bodies and excrement, mycotoxins… and of course, antifungal agents and insecticides that the manufacturer will add to combat all of these problems. Grain-based pet foods carry more baggage than just calories…

  11. Aunnika

    When I first read this, Ergotamine Syndrome came to mind, as Ergotamine is an old Rx used to treat migraines and the syndrome is a rare SE. Never the less, I sort of digressed.
    I recall from College Microbiology that rye bread in EU back in the Middle Ages that had a specific fungus growing on it gave an LSD effect to those that ingested. Apparently it was all the Rave of the Royals forbthe high. Wonder if the same ?
    Will now look at cat food ingredients. Very good write uo BTW

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