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  1. Leona

    OMG! I feed Wild Calling and didn’t know that it was Evanger’s. Thank you for the info.!!!!!

    1. Kim

      Hi Leona! I just got off the phone with Wild Calling and confirmed that NONE of Wild Calling products are made at the Evangers facility. They switched many of their foods out of Evangers back in 2014. The last product that was still packaged at Evangers in recent years was the Rabbit, Bison and Alligator. They pulled these back in January 2017. This change contributes to why the Bison and Alligator are no longer being made.

      1. Reader

        Half information is so frustrating! If it’s not made at Evanger’s then the natural follow-up would be …. okay, then where IS it made. Reason? Pet Owners may be using a brand from the same facility. So if their pet does get sick, it might (unfortunately) add to the evidence. And further the investigation.

        [Honestly]

      2. Kyle

        Actually, all of their exotics were made at Evanger’s. This included Bison, Rabbit, Alligator, and Duck. Their other manufacturer, Simmons, was unable to make these proteins due to differences in manufacturing processes. You can tell if one of their cans is made at Evanger’s by looking at the best buy date. If it is curved like a rainbow, it was made at an Evanger’s plant. If it is in a straight line, it was made at Simmons.

        Wild Calling has been shifting away from Evanger’s for a while, and the recent Evanger’s recall expedited the process. Simmons still can’t make the Bison and Alligator, so they have been discontinued altogether. Simmons is probably picking up the Rabbit and Duck, but I am not entirely sure of that. Wild Calling is under a lot of pressure, because these are among their most popular flavors.

        Kim, did WC say none were made at the Evanger’s facility involved in the recall, or none were made at Evanger’s, period?

      3. Terry

        I spoke to wild calling several times in feb and march 2017. At first call I was NOT told canned rabbit was made at evanger even after I discussed concerns with evanger plant.
        My cat was having major g i problems their rabbit. I called back when I noticed the curved stamp on bottom of can. At that time I was told that all their unique proteins were ( currently) made at evangers plant. This was 3 to 4 months after they stated, now, that they stopped using evangers plant. Susan, I sent a private email to you at that time.
        Now there are specific contradictions. Even tho I pulled their food, I kept the last open can in my freezer just in case. Tossed it last month when there were no mentions of a problem.
        So glad my animal crew is back on Answers pet food! That’s a company I trust!
        Terry

    2. Mel W

      This is EXACTLY why Wild Calling was upset at your error Susan. I love you, but you should have been eating crow at your error. The label may not say what plant it’s made at, but YOU should have done your research (phone call FIRST) before adding fuel to this fire. Also, as you can see…once somebody sees something, that is how its remembered and the damage is done. Please dont start to “report” like the the other “pet food watchdogs”, as they are just out there to inflame any possible issues…like a TMZ of the pet world. I pray these pets are ok for good. I also pray that this was not another Pentobarbitol poisoning and instead just a couple vets grasping at straws for an explanation.

      1. Susan Thixton Author

        I am human Mel W. And if people walked in my shoes for just a day, those that quickly criticize me for being human might have a different opinion. I am by no means perfect – have not claimed to be. There is a difference between a company calling me to correct an error and a company calling me leaving a rude, threatening message. Big difference.

        1. Vicky Crawford

          Agree with Susan 100%

        2. Peter

          Susan makes an important and valid point. The real issue, is the aversion by WC executives to acknowledge the issue of “co-packing” or “contract manufacturing.” Neither WC or any other pet food company wants the reality of how pet food is manufactured understood by consumers.

      2. Reader

        Are you people serious? Maybe I misread the article in the first place. But thought I read this. “When the Wild Calling Pet Food was removed from their diet, both cats improved however one was slower to recover than the other. One of the cats returned to the vet multiple times; blood sugar was very high.”

        You have nerve to say Wild Calling is upset with SUSAN! They ought to be grateful she’s warning all their customers! Or did they?? So if it was made … at Evanger’s … is this more or less of a problem ….than TWO very sick cats, tell me. Oh I get it, people want to go right on using the product, as long as their pets will be okay. And they’ll feel a whole lot better about it … just as long as it has nothing to do with Evanger’s. Great logic. I wouldn’t be so harsh in this comment, if you hadn’t jumped all over Susan. Her work, her alerts, her information is irreplaceable. Got any idea what it takes all day long, to publish this site? In the first place, Wild Calling has the DUTY to set whatever record needs straightening! They are the ones under suspicion at the moment. And by the way, thanks … for the faith expressed in these Vets, as in, “I also pray that this was not another Pentobarbitol poisoning and instead JUST A COUPLE OF VETS GRASPING at straws for an explanation.” Yeah, whatever makes two cats deathly ill from eating their food. But at least it’s not ….Pentobarbitol.

        [Great logic]

  2. Woofielover

    These skus are made by Simmons, not Evanger’s. WC stopped using Evanger’s over 2 years ago on all but 3 flavors – the rabbit, the alligator and the Buffalo. After the recent Evanger’s debacle, WC dropped them entirely on Feb. 18. The lot #s provided dont correspond with Evanger’s made products as their lot #s always have an “E” in their sequence.

    1. Susan Thixton Author

      Thanks so much for that info –

  3. Diane Teed

    Were the lots listed above produced at the Evangers plant? I thought Evangers only produced the Wild Calling alligator, buffalo and rabbit.

    1. Susan Thixton Author

      My error. Woofielover provided information that these pet foods were manufactured at Simmons.

  4. Ms. B Dawson

    Of course Simmons bought out Menu Foods – the main cannery that distributed the melamine contaminated pet foods in 2007.

    I’m not implying nothing has changed, only that they process a heck of a lot of cans. IF there is contamination this could be far reaching.

  5. Fred

    Your site is so quick to put out scare tatic info that you don’t always put truth into your writings. Wild Calling is not manufactured by Evangers and hasn’t been for over two years except for a few SKUs that were pulled from Evangers in Feb of 2017. I used to have respect for what you do but that is slowly fading as you are quick to judge and blast false info to cause an uproar without knowing all the facts. You never go back and republish articles saying that your information was incorrect or that testing proved different than the story you want to tell.

    1. Regina

      Fred, Susan does the best she can, and, as you should be able to see, when folks post information that clears up a misconception, Susan allows those posts to come through for all of us to see.

      It gets very hard to keep track of who makes what, and who owns whom, but at least this is a forum where the information does get trickled down to us.

      And maybe there’s a reason that Susan doesn’t come back and tell us that the testing proved different. As you could see in this article, the testing is being “delayed” . . . and we don’t know for how long. Also, maybe when the testing does find it’s way to Susan, it does not show that her information was incorrect????

      Just my two cents worth.

      1. Peter

        Yes, and the question is WHY is it so hard to “keep track of who makes what”? These companies do not want consumers to have any awareness of the concept of contract manufacturing, and react whenever the issue of “co-packing” is discussed. Understanding “who makes what” in pet food manufacture would be very damaging to many so-called “premium” and “ultra-premium” pet foods.

    2. Jeri

      Where does she say it is manufactured by Evanger’s? What information was incorrect that she has posted? If you’re going to blast her you NEED to have your PROOF lined up. Proof, please?

      1. Woofielover

        Jeri, her original post stated it was made at Evanger’s which she has since corrected.

        As to anyone else quick to cast aspersions on Susan’s mistake, REALLY? Do you NEVER make a mistake? Jeez, she corrected it. Go somewhere else to get your reports then. You’ll be hard pressed to find someone else as pure of motive, as straight forward or as diligent and hard working for FREE!

        1. Jeri

          The article I read never said it was made at Evanger’s. So I read the corrected one, never saw any other. I stand by what I said and agree that those who want to see where it was made as “the crucial point” have missed the point altogether. If it’s making pets sick it needs to be tested and subsequently pulled – no matter WHERE it was made.

    3. Reader

      Hi Fred. I clicked on your screen name and it didn’t take me to the website you’re writing regarding PF advocacy. Then I take it there wouldn’t be the 10 years of research Susan has already invested into the subject. And if she has been wrong as many times as you would suggest, without self-corrections, am wondering why she is the target of serious threats aimed at whistleblowers. People who aren’t taken seriously aren’t bothered with such incidents. Oh I see, … there hasn’t been time for you to go back and re-read this article. Which would be a good suggestion at this point. Thx.

  6. Regina

    I was gonna get on here and shout about why is Evangers food still even being sold, but, in reading the comments from others about different companies involved . . . just makes me so upset that so many people buy food from a certain brand, not realizing that it’s all a big jumbled mess of who makes what, and, gosh, so many people don’t even realize that a lot of “brands” are all owned by the same conglomerates that make cheap crap feed. Nutro is pushing their new line of food as being so wonderful, but if they are still making crap under their other brands, I’ll never buy from them no matter how good one product might be. For crying out loud, their Nutro Max cat food is still full of corn and crap. If all your products aren’t great, I’m not buying anything, because my dollars would be subsidizing the crap feed.

    I will only buy from a brand that is still true to it’s original plan of making good food for our furbabies, and it’s all under the same brand, and that’s ALL they do!!!

  7. Can

    Now does this mean that we ought to add all manufactured/co-packed at Simmons to our mental “do not buy list” as cross contamination is so common!?! It was “beef” processed at Evanger’s that contained pentobarbital affected organic Party Animal, etc., now beef/chicken too from Simmons… It is so nerve-wracking to stay on top of future purchases based on information provided, (bet many of you too log on to your computers hoping optimistically for no additional recalls/suffering) but then with added worry about who/which one next it makes for no simple certainty/feeding peace! I do my absolute best with updating manufacturer negatives (and positives…companies added to Susan’s most appreciated lists and the Pledge) as it means life or death. Thanks to Susan we are all in the loop but how nervous is this making everyone as the years roll on? For example, I find Nature’s Logic to be a great part of our multiple manufacturer rotation of raw, dehydrated and canned…but helpful Petsumer Report from a few years ago I have written down mentions that their canned foods are manufactured at Simmons, ugh!, disheartening! I feel that they are a reputable outfit and very open to inquires but the big guys like Simmons and Evanger’s are untrustworthy! As small company heads like those from NL and Hound and Gatos mentioned that they are present and test each batch, that provides confidence in their product to me but how can these poor company presidents stay on top of everything that these huge facilities do?? They are going above and beyond, testing for specific protein confirmation, are present at the plant for the run, but how in the world can they test for every crazy possible contaminant that no one would ever suspect be an ingredient like pentobarbital for example??? Does anyone know which foods are manufactured at Simmons by chance, seems like these cases always start out small and grow like Evanger’s has to several co-packed brands. I feel for some of the brands that depend on co-packers. All your readers maybe can pitch in and we open a reputable cannery! I still hold out optimistic hope each time that it doesn’t have far reaching effects and we have to have faith somewhere…thank you!

  8. MK

    What other brands are made are made at Simmons?

  9. Victoria Crawford

    Fred, no judgement here but before you jump all over Susan bear in mind that she is the ONLY one we have that reliably gets the word out about a potential problem….we certainly cannot count on a quick notification from the manufacturers or FDA (at least in a timely manner where it could prevent a sickness or another melanine disaster) I would rather err on the side of caution and prematurely get info than have a pet harmed. If things were different and we could count on hearing about an issue from the ones that should inform us then I would say you may have been correct but unfortunately that is not the case and you are in the wrong here. She corrects things as quickly as she can. I would think by now you would realize this so it makes me wonder about YOU!

  10. Ms. B Dawson

    Simmons is the largest canned pet food private label and co-packer in the US. Healthy By Design and Strongheart Dog Food are Simmons’ trademark brands. Both of those are grocery store and big box fodder.

    Search for “Pet foods canned at Simmons”. Most of what comes up is undated so you would need to call the brand you are curious about for current info. Good luck, companies rarely want to share.

    An undated list that Halo put out (valid from somewhere between 2010 and 2014 based on the fact that they list P&G as owning Natura and not Mars who purchased it in 2014) lists Blue Buffalo, Canidae, LIfe’s Abundance, Natures Logic, Dogswell, Petcurean, Nature’s Variety, Evolve and Ol’Roy as some of Simmons clients. THIS LIST MAY NO LONGER BE VALID. Just look at how many companies have announced they dumped Evanger’s within the last 3 months. This is the reason it is so hard for consumers – not to mention Susan – to keep up with the dance card.

    Here’s how to do some detective work:

    Look at a can from a known cannery. Notice the shape of the can – is the bottom rounded or does it have a rim; are there rings on the lid or bottom or are they perfectly flat; are the can sides smooth or ridged. Then look at the time/date stamp – are the letters made with solid lines or a series of dots (like an old dot matrix printer); are the letters large & dark or small & faint; is the best by date obvious or coded.

    Canning machinery is specific to can designs. By noticing the differences, you can begin to make a pretty good guess at who made a particular can of food. The distinctive curved stamp on the bottom of Evanger’s cans is one example. To the best of my knowledge they are the only cannery with that style stamp.

    If a product is recalled, take a can of your brand food and compare it to the recalled can, once again looking at the features listed above. If the cans are identical, they were most likely manufactured at the same facility. Does this mean your can is suspect? Well, part of the reason to use co-packers is that the ingredients are purchased in huge bulk quantities and then shared out amoung various brands to keep costs down.

    Shredded, chunky or stew like formulas will often be made at different plants than smooth or loaf/pate types. Again this is because of the machinery, so don’t assume a company only uses one canning facility.

    Hope this helps.

    1. Can

      Thank you, this is really helpful!

  11. Leona

    No worries about the mixup, Susan. I trust you more than what the suits say at any of the pet food brands! Thank you for all you do for consumers!!!

  12. Lynn

    I feed raw, from a company I know, I can walk in and talk to the owner. They have gone beyond the norm in the nutrition breakdown which is on the website for all to see. The prey model grinds are from human grade meat with bone and organ meat added to make 80-10-10 to which I add some organic vegs sometimes and some organic supplements. I had 2 dogs die of cancer and figured I was doing something wrong, been researching for about 10 or so years and now I’m doing the best I can for them. Not going to play Russian Roulette with their lives again.

  13. Sherrie Ashenbremer

    Listen guys, we are all human, thank you Susan for all you do. SO you made an error, WOW, should I take 4 hours of time to list my errors in my life, well I have three kids, my errors with them is a very long list. Most Mom’s have the same list, forget and move on. I would rather be told some brand of food may have poison than wait a few weeks and find out WHEN IT IS TOO LATE! I have 5 dogs, I love them very much and am very picky about their health. Carry on Susan, don’t jump ship. Really appreciate all you do, GOD BLESS

  14. Matthew

    Susan,

    I would recommend also sending out an updated email to the article, as the original email states “Made at Evangers” which can cause some confusion as well.

    The customer mentioned here shops at my store (not where she purchased the Wild Calling, but we do carry it some of it), and the Wild Calling rep confirmed with me last week the info about them severing ties with Evangers except for exotics a few years back. It would’ve been better handled had they approached you with a little more understanding – you know, thanking you for doing the diligence that no one else seems interested in so that the better companies that really are trying to offer healthy options actually succeed – before correcting your errors. Perhaps if they were aware with your previous experiences with threats, they would’ve proceeded with a little more tact.

    Thanks Susan for your continued work – only we can speak up and protect the animals we love and cherish so much.

    1. Reader

      Matthew, I would recommend you read the beginning of the article again. It says, “A concerned consumer reports two sick cats to Virginia Department of Agriculture – Wild Calling Pet Food, State Department of Agriculture stated possible pentobarbital poisoning. But the State Department of Ag continues to drag its heels… .” “A pet owner contacted me reporting two very sick cats, both cats became sick “with vomiting and diarrhea”.

      I would also recommend Wild Calling issuing a statement TO THIS SITE, as to what steps they’ve put into place to address the issue. And show evidence of a memo sent to their distributors and retailers, as well as one for this site to publish! “Just an alert.”

      If you’ll notice from the above quote, it was a CONSUMER who alerted Susan. So do we know anything about Wild Calling’s regular batch testing procedure? Because if they have the records, then they’re good, right. If there’s nothing to worry about, and the cats got sick from something else, it would be good to know what safety precautions Wild Calling has in place, to prevent this kind of thing from happening. Don’t you think.

      Ahhh so you’re a store owner. No wonder folks are jumping on Susan. This kind of news shakes up sales, right. Uhmmm yeah …it would’ve been REALLY nice …. if Wild Calling approached Susan (not just with “understanding”) but with COMPLETE transparency, and some effort to prove their product is safe! And an apology for the scare. Thank you. But whatever is Susan’s “history” … business people get nowhere being rude, period. Because of this exchange, I wouldn’t touch their product. [Probably wouldn’t have anyway.]

      1. Matthew

        I would recommend you read the beginning of my comment again. It says, “as the original EMAIL states “Made at Evangers” which can cause some confusion as well.”

        Also, you assume I’m “jumping” on Susan when what I was trying to do was offer some constructive advice to clear up the confusion, and then spend the rest of the time praising her and pointing out WC could’ve handled this much better. We’re on the same side of the coin here, only wanting what is best for the animals. Don’t assume just because I run a store that I’m focused on sales – the reason I work and dedicate my life to the store is to help as many people as I can feed (and holistically treat) their animals healthier foods, especially raw. Just as I will continue to ask the same questions to every sales rep that comes through my door to find out as much information regarding each and every company, brand, and ingredient they use, I do my best to educate the customer in the same way in the hopes that they won’t face having to put down their loved ones due to cancer (or many other sicknesses).

  15. Eve

    Deep soncere wellness wishes for kittys and pet owner. This all could have been prevented if pet owners stop forgive me but being lazy. There is NO excuse but to feed our pets real food raw meat raw bones veg some fruits and few supplements. We can blame the pet food companies sure they are at fault but they do mot force a pet owner to huy them. Its a choice.

  16. Teresa

    First, I want to thank Susan for standing up for our pets when no one else does despite the fact that she has gotten threatening messages and worse. Most people would cave at the first sign of trouble, but Susan has made it her life’s calling and God bless her for that because we are made aware of possible harm that our pets could suffer and have the knowledge to do something about it. Without her, I wouldn’t know half of what I know now and can better feed my kitties so they won’t die of cancer of some other problems. For those of you that just read this and haven’t been on her site before, Susan is going to the Hill to meet with Senators to try and get the laws changed to protect our pets. I don’t know of anyone anywhere that has even come close to doing this for our beloved pets. God bless you Susan and thank you for everything you do. I know that seems so small saying that, but it comes straight from my heart. My kitties are my everything and if something happened to them because of my negligence or not being informed and they were poisoned, it would absolutely kill me.

    Now, about this current Wild Calling situation. This scares me because I live in Virginia and used to feed WC to my 3 kitties but stopped when there was a problem in August 2016. Am really disgusted hearing that the Virginia Department of Agriculture is dragging their feet and which could also lead to more deaths or severe illness for the pets of people who aren’t aware of this. When they finally do get their act together and get whatever they “need” to do the proper testing, will the food sample still be intact enough to give the correct information or will it be so degraded it will be impossible?

    I fed my kitties Wild Calling for several years until last summer. It was on their rotation along with several other higher quality cat foods. However, all of a sudden, I saw these black spots (looked like black mold) in the food the size of a pencil eraser, so I took photos of it and emailed Wild Calling. After the first initial reporting, I was emailed by the VP of WC, Jeremy Petersen, and talked with him for the remainder of my online convos. Before even seeing the product in the photos, his response was:

    “It is common for black spots to develop in a canned product like ours. It is likely just minerals which oxidized and poses no threat to you or your pet. This happens when the vitamins don’t mix all the way into the meats and oxidize. It’s not from putting in too high amounts of minerals as we would never do this nor would our manufacturing partners as we know this causes health concerns. We only add trace amounts.”……

    So, I sent him the photos and he still said what I was seeing was the vitamin additives in guar gum “dry balls” that occurs when the guar gum is poured in from the side of the mixer. It is like when you make a cake and don’t mix the dry ingredients well, though Jeremy said it was not because it wasn’t mixed well, it was because of the guar gum. He was very frank that it is a very common occurrence and would not harm my kitties as you read above. I never saw anything like this in any of the other cans of WC nor in any other cat food before that. If I had, they would have never eaten it again!.

    It might also be of interest to others whose kitties eat WC, that I asked him if any rendered meats were used by WC and he assured me that they only use quality trim cuts of meat and do NOT use any 3/4D low quality meats from rendering facilities.

    Mr. Petersen was very polite and seemed genuinely interested in trying to allay my fears and also interested in his company and the integrity of the food. He said that he had reported this problem to their R & D team, but he said it was not something that they could change.

    I won’t take that chance and had to let him know that we wouldn’t be buying this food any more. Had to throw away 48 cans of WC cat food and moved on to a higher quality brand.

    PS – He did tell me that they use the Simmons plant.

    1. Peter

      We must examine the societal phenomena, wherein consumers continue to accept flaws in production and yet still pay full price for so-called “premium” and “super-premium” pet foods. Its truly amazing that WC executives would justify failed manufacturing process, and regard “oxidized” ingredients as, well, just OK and go ahead and no worries… When the consumer is expected to continue to patronize a manufacturer, despite the admission that a specific acknowledged “problem” is not correctable… it really is sickening.

      1. Teresa

        Yes, I totally agree Peter. I had lengthy email conversations with him and even questioned how other cat food manufacturers were able to not have this happen. Of course, there was no answer to that except what you saw above that it was reported to R & D and that it was a common occurrence because of the guar gum that they were aware of and obviously don’t think it matters. Strange that I’ve never seen any other cat food that had these black/brown spots in the food.

        Why would a company put so much into what they claim are good quality ingredients (quality meats and vitamins) into their food and then not even address something like this. It just makes no sense.

  17. Lisa Marie

    Susan, you are salt of the earth, I so very much appreciate your dedication and perseverance, were it not for you, I and others would be out on a limb as far as what these companies get away with.

    For every nasty, negative response you may receive from low consciousness bottom feeders, they pale in comparison to those of us who not only respect your work, but rely on it to keep our pets safe.

    And rest assured — what I learn here, I pass on to customers.

    Carry on dearie, carry on …

  18. Melanie Brown

    Oh my GOD. I received a new case of WC canned Duck Wednesday a week ago, started feeding it to my cats on Thursday. Saturday morning I noticed someone had thrown up their dry food overnight. Sunday morning noticed someone had thrown up spittle overnight. Monday morning, my tortie threw up every bit of the duck not more than 1 hour after eating it. Now, neither one of them will touch it, and she’s been very slow to recover. She has food allergies, so I thought she was going off her protein again. Although now I’m not so sure. She’s been doing so well on duck these last 6 months, until this. Other than taking her to the vet (who I’m calling next) what can I do to make sure she hasn’t been poisoned??

  19. Marilyn C. Klein

    I switched to feeding my cats only Fromm dry and canned once all of this contamination and pentobarbital started being reported by Susan. I sent Fromm an email to see who they use as co-packer. They use only THEIR OWN factories and suppliers for all of their foods. Since starting with Fromm, my one cat that had irritable bowel, is completely normal now & I don’t have to follow her around to wipe her tush after a bm. They love all of the flavors. Don’t know anything more except that I am happy to feed them what I feel is a safe food for them.

    1. MK

      Just FYI Marilyn, Fromm had to recall all their 3 dog foods they made at their facility last year. Best to rotate brands or manufactures to be safe.

    2. Ms. B Dawson

      First I want to say that Fromm seems to be doing things right. Their recalls were for vitamins that were out of recommended range, not for any contamination or ingredient quality. Although raw is my choice, I occasionally feed Fromm to change things up.

      Having said that, I do not want people to believe that owning your own plant is a guarantee of quality. Several large companies who we all love to hate make their own product. When Natura (Innova, CA Nat, Karma) sold to P&G (who in turn sold it to Mars), the manufacturing facilities were part of the deal. I don’t think many of us on this list would now trust that brand.

      There’s nothing that says Fromm isn’t making other brands as well. If they have down time when they aren’t making their label, Fromm could very easily be manufacturing other brands. I don’t know if they do or not, I just know that canneries are expensive and idle production lines are an opportunity for a secondary revenue stream.

      And of course, all of us have to trust that companies are being honest about their ingredients. Remember that great expression when chat rooms were new….”nobody knows you’re a dog on the internet.”? None of us are there to see the invoices or watch the manufacturing so if corners get cut we won’t know unless the worst happens. We’re all running on a certain amount of trust based on the information we have available to us.

      I don’t want to cause paranoia, just make the point that the assumption is flawed.

      1. Poodle Parent

        Appreciate the comments on Fromm. Want to try it again. Really like the ingredients in Four-Star Duck. No peas, no fish. Years ago, Fromm did cause some dry skin. But will rotate it this time. Wanted Open Farms. But dog doesn’t do fish very well (at least per my Orijen experience! But then it could’ve been lack of fiber too). Anyway, since they’re in Canada, can’t talk to Open Farm directly.

  20. Shannon Hohlt Latzke

    In February of this year, they told me that their rabbit, buffalo, and alligator foods were made by Evangers, and the rest was made at Simmon’s Pet Nutrition.

  21. Georgy Rock

    Thank you – for ALL You Do.

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